After My First Tattoo (some questions)

On Jun 14, 1:48 am, Marian <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just put A&D ointment into google and notice more than a few places
> and people recommending it for tattoo healing.

You're not getting it. You came HERE. You asked. We answered. Four
are telling you lotion, one is saying A&D.

You can keep trying to prove yourself right for listening to the
idiot, or you can listen to people who care (not a person who argues
just to argue -- which is a Curt post).

Your call. Scamp has healed more tattoos than you have even thought
of. Curt has one he refers to as a blob. That sounds like a 2/3
success rate (and some would say his tattoos aren't a success at
all). Wonder what Scamp's success rate is?

Kavin

Marian <marian.rosenberg@gmail.com> wrote:
>> are throwing away the money you put into this tattoo by gooping it up
>> the way you're doing. At the very least you will need a touch up.
M> Please explain to me the why behind this. I'm curious. Why is it
M> leaking color? Not a whole lot at first and even less now but
M> definitely color coming out in my sweat (noticeable on the top of my
M> sock from Sunday, didn't see it before) ...

READ, YOU STUPID COW.

http://compunction.org/healing.txt

lish "your house is standing
crank@got.net on a foot & a half of silt." -uc
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70

On Jun 14, 9:54 pm, Nina Baltes <chaotro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 14 Jun., 05:48, Marian <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I just put A&D ointment into google and notice more than a few places
> > and people recommending it for tattoo healing.
>
> You'll find just as many recommending antibiotic ointment. You can
> probably also find as many sites telling you that only cretins get
> tattoos and that they'll burn in hell for it.

Good point.

> Many times, your body will heal *in spite of* what you're doing.
> This is especially true for very small tattoos because the skin damage
> is not really extensive. The bigger the freshly tattooed area, the
> more intelligent care it requires.
>
> > t much of a beauty products kind of girl and I wasn't going to
> > mess around with Chinese skin lotion on my tattoo since the beautiful
> > goal of whiter skin is not so unoccasionally obtained by having bleach
> > as one of the ingredients.
>
> Who said anything about such nonsense?

"You're not getting it. You came HERE. You asked. We answered.
Four
are telling you lotion, one is saying A&D. "

> > I was following the logic that if vaseline bandages had been used on
> > my skin grafts to keep them from scabbing and itching... they would
> > also keep the tattoo from scabbing and itching.
>
> I doubt that keeping in artificially inserted pigment is a concern
> with skin grafts.
> Wash it and put lotion on it whenever it feels dry and you'll be okay.
> Put your leg up whenever you can. Lower leg tattoos often take
> somewhat longer to heal because fluid accumulates during the day and
> circulation isn't as good as in other parts of the body.

Now -this- is something I do not want to hear. I've already got lousy
circulation in my bum leg with a frequent edema problem.

> Oh, also: once any flakes and/or scabs have fallen off: SUNBLOCK! For
> the rest of your life. Until then: no sun at all.

On Jun 15, 2:07 am, c...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.) wrote:
> Marian <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> are throwing away the money you put into this tattoo by gooping it up
> >> the way you're doing. At the very least you will need a touch up.
>
> M> Please explain to me the why behind this. I'm curious. Why is it
> M> leaking color? Not a whole lot at first and even less now but
> M> definitely color coming out in my sweat (noticeable on the top of my
> M> sock from Sunday, didn't see it before) ...
>
> READ, YOU STUPID COW.
>
> http://compunction.org/healing.txt

I read everything on the page. It said:

Problem loading page X

The connection was reset

The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.

* The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try
again in a few
moments.

* If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's
network
connection.

* If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or
proxy, make sure
that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

and please don't call me a stupid cow, it isn't very nice.

-M

On Jun 14, 1:48 am, Marian <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 11:50 pm, "KavinTay...@gmail.com" <KavinTay...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > His seemed as good a one
> > > as any other to write a response to as any other.
>
> > Notice he said A&D ointment. OINTMENT. Look up ointment.
>
> I just put A&D ointment into google and notice more than a few places
> and people recommending it for tattoo healing.
>

And you believe everything google provides - it's in google it must be
true? People post bullshit all the time, and google very
accomodatingly slurps it up and saves it for you.

> > Scamp said lotion.
>
> I'm not much of a beauty products kind of girl and I wasn't going to
> mess around with Chinese skin lotion on my tattoo since the beautiful
> goal of whiter skin is not so unoccasionally obtained by having bleach
> as one of the ingredients.
>

I'm not talking anything fancy here - just something relatively
benign. It can be the cheapest lotion in the world, as long as it
isn't petroleum based and doesn't sting, it's probably fine.

> I was following the logic that if vaseline bandages had been used on
> my skin grafts to keep them from scabbing and itching... they would
> also keep the tattoo from scabbing and itching.
>

Bad logic.

I just finished healing a portion of a tattoo. My tattoo artist puts a
bit of A&D on and covers it with a paper towel before I leave there;
when I got home I removed it. I washed it gently, then did nothing.
The next day I washed it in the morning, put just enough lotion to
make it feel soft (I happen to like Gold Bond Ultimate healing lotion
because, unlike Lubriderm, I can put it on the next day and it doesn't
sting). I didn't do a damn thing to it again until that night, when I
gave it a light washing and reapplied the moisturizer.

Lather, rinse, repeat while it went through the itchy, flakey stage. I
exercised self-control and didn't scratch it.

The ONLY time I saw any color bleed was the night of getting the
tattoo, when I first took the paper towel off.

You did multiple days of gooping A&D and then covering the A&D with a
bandage. By your own statement you had multiple days of color bleed as
a result.

Whose tattoo do you think will look better?

A tattoo is an abrasion, with pigment. When you get a scrape do you
drown it in A&D? I hope not - that's not particularly conducive to
healing.

Unless you're immuno-compromised, your body could heal that tattoo
with no help from you whatsoever. The only reason to do anything is
because you're trying to keep the color from leeching out. Slurpy
goopy stuff like A&D or petroleum jelly or bacitracin encourages the
leeching; a light application of a lotion used only to keep the tattoo
from getting too dry does not.

If you have no access whatsoever to some kind of benign lotion, then I
highly recommend either having some brought to you or wait until
you're somewhere where it's easily accessible before you get another
tattoo (or get the inevitable touchups required on the current one).


Susan

Marian <marian.rosenberg@gmail.com> wrote:

> It said:

+ how to heal a tattoo
+ by lish, crank@got.net


follow this exactly.

+ the short version:

don't keep any sort of covering past hour five or so. (i do
better if i leave on the shop's thick coat of vaseline & paper towels
for 4-6 hours. i discovered this completely by accident & i can only
figure it's because of the bleeding involved, as my body is not
generally a friend to petroleum.) you should NOT have left the shop with
saran wrap on your body. saran wrap is not meant to touch your FOOD, let
alone your open wounds.

days one & two: every few hours (starting at 4-6 hours
post-tattoo, when you remove the bandage), wash gently with warm water &
your favorite soap. it does not need to be "antibacterial" soap; all
soap is, by its very nature, antibacterial. i've found gentle facial
soaps like "purpose" to be very good at cutting the vaseline & lymph.
wash until the skin is no longer slimy-feeling, & BLOT yourself dry with
a paper towel. (viva are the softest.) this keeps lymph down, & keeps
the scabs light. dry, your arm should not be shiny - if the skin is not
matte, you did not wash it thoroughly enough. the tattooed skin will
tingle after this treatment; this is normal, so don't fret.

days three through healing: moisturize lightly with any
unscented, non-petroleum lotion. this keeps the piece flexible so you
don't crack what thin scabs there are.

do not soak. do not pick. do not peel. you do not need A&D,
vaseline, neosporin, bacitracin, tattoo goo, bactine, betadyne, or
anything else that will likely be recommended to you. a tattoo is a
precision abrasion & your body can heal it fine without the goop.


+ details for the detail-oriented:

you should leave the fresh tattoo alone, only washing it as
described above, until it feels tight. at that point moisturizing is the
thing to do. many people start moisturizing right away, & i think that
causes some problems. even gentle curel wasn't meant to be put on open
wounds.

the reason you're washing it is to keep the lymph down. if you
keep the lymph down, you keep the scabbing light. & by keeping the
scabbing light, you have more freedom of movement, you're less likely to
crack the scabs, & you don't wake up stuck to the bedsheets. (well, you
don't wake up stuck by your tattoo, anyhow. see a psychologist, you
sicko.)

once the scabs form, you don't want to get it wet. washing off a
hard or semi-hard scab is not the same as washing off gooey lymph. this
is the point where you start using lotion to keep the tattoo supple.
LOTION, meaning nothing with a white petroleum base & nothing
antibacterial. don't drown it, just use the lotion whenever it feels
tight.

that's it. you'll flake & you'll heal & you'll thank me.

judge the coloration and solidness of the ink after the skin
returns to a normal texture. ideally, the tattooed skin should be
indistinguishable from non-tattooed skin. seek touchups as necessary
after this point, but don't go crying about "my black tribal dolphin
looks gray" & "my taz isn't solid in some spots" until the damned thing
actually heals.


+ solving problems:

tattoos done in a professional, sterile environment are not
likely to become infected or bleed terrifically, & so these issues will
not be covered here. it IS likely, however, that you will experience
some fantastic itchiness during the healing process. slapping at the
skin can be helpful, or scratching is allowed PROVIDED you scratch ONLY
the NON-TATTOOED skin surrounding the new work. do NOT pick scabs. do
NOT scratch the unhealed skin. choosing a non-petroleum lotion with a
strong (or even mild) fragrance can burn in a very itch-relieving way &
will not harm your tattoo, but this method is not recommended for
pussies (or those with allergies).

so, it's been a full month. you've followed this text to the
letter & have successfully gone through the initial flake & the
onionskin shed. & yet all is not well, you say? here are the most common
post-healing problems & what you can do about them.

- scar tissue

if the artist went too deep or worked the skin too much, if
you're prone to keloids or other outrageous scarring, if you had an
allergic reaction to something, if you picked the scabs, or a skillion
other things, you may experience raised scar tissue over part or all of
your new tattoo. the best recourse against scarring is tissue massage.
some people will say ONLY to use one product or another, but the
important part is the massage itself. so use olive oil, vitamin e oil,
hand lotion, cocoa butter, or nearly anything else that helps you to
thoroughly massage the scarred tissue. fully cleanse yourself of the
extra when you're finished. you should spend five or ten minutes several
times a day doing this, depending on the degree of scarring. working the
tissue like this strengthens bloodflow & encourages the tissue to act as
it should.

- blotchiness, blurriness, vacations

it's important to judge this only AFTER you've fully healed, at
the point that your skin has returned to normal (or thereabouts). if
your tattoo looks blotchy or has "vacations" (areas that didn't take
ink), it will need a touchup. most artists offer touchups for free or a
nominal fee depending on the size of the problem. if you picked the
scabs, don't expect a free ride - it's pretty obvious when someone's
been picking.

if your tattoo looks blurry around the edges, this is a
different problem. blurriness is nearly always caused by an artist
putting his needles in too deeply - the ink spreads to immediate
surrounding tissue & gives a hazy & undesirable effect. this can be
relieved with a touchup, but a different artist is recommended. the
blurriness will need to be tattooed over, which will very slightly
expand the existing work. sometimes the blur can be covered in white,
which gives a different & sometimes preferable look to a piece.

- black looking gray

if your black ink looks gray or your colors otherwise are not
what you want, you MAY be able to have them touched up. but you need to
first realize that you're seeing the ink THROUGH layers of skin, much
like looking through a window. if the window is tinted (ie your skin
tone), what you see through it will appear differently. a very dark gray
may be the best that will show up on your skin, so accept it if a
respected artist tells you your piece is perfect.


+ the most important part:

do your research FIRST, BEFORE you get to the tattooist's chair.
shitty tattoos can be removed, but it's outrageously expensive & they
will never fully be gone. spending a day or three or ninety doing
research about which artist is right for you & how your tattoo should be
applied will save you the rest of your life in regret.


There you go, stupid cow. Now you can stop making excuses for ignoring
good advice!

On Jun 14, 9:14 pm, Marian <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 14, 9:54 pm, Nina Baltes <chaotro...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
MAR> > > t much of a beauty products kind of girl and I wasn't going
to
MAR> > > mess around with Chinese skin lotion on my tattoo since the
beautiful
MAR> > > goal of whiter skin is not so unoccasionally obtained by
having bleach
MAR> > > as one of the ingredients.
>
NINA> > Who said anything about such nonsense?
>
KT> "You're not getting it. You came HERE. You asked. We answered.
KT> Four
KT> are telling you lotion, one is saying A&D. "

Oh, no no no fucking no, sweetheart. I said lotion. Not "Bleaching
lotion." You've lived in the states. You know what lotion means.
Why didn't you mistake it for, I don't know, suntan lotion? Analgesic
lotion? I'm sure there must be a simple lotion you can get wherever
you live. Hell, you can get all manner of antibiotics, I think a
simple lotion is available.

I've read you posts on other newsgroups. Your posts here are typical.

Please stop dribbling out bits and pieces so you can act offended.

We really are trying to be helpful. That, however, can change. And
not in your favor.

Kavin







>
> > > I was following the logic that if vaseline bandages had been used on
> > > my skin grafts to keep them from scabbing and itching... they would
> > > also keep the tattoo from scabbing and itching.
>
> > I doubt that keeping in artificially inserted pigment is a concern
> > with skin grafts.
> > Wash it and put lotion on it whenever it feels dry and you'll be okay.
> > Put your leg up whenever you can. Lower leg tattoos often take
> > somewhat longer to heal because fluid accumulates during the day and
> > circulation isn't as good as in other parts of the body.
>
> Now -this- is something I do not want to hear. I've already got lousy
> circulation in my bum leg with a frequent edema problem.
>
>
>
> > Oh, also: once any flakes and/or scabs have fallen off: SUNBLOCK! For
> > the rest of your life. Until then: no sun at all.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On 15 Jun., 01:14, Marian <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "You're not getting it. You came HERE. You asked. We answered.
> Four
> are telling you lotion, one is saying A&D. "

I don't see anything about some obscure "Chinese skin lotion" there.
Are you saying there are no regular body lotions in China?

> Now -this- is something I do not want to hear. I've already got lousy
> circulation in my bum leg with a frequent edema problem.

All the more reason to lay off the vaseline and bandages. A simple
skin infection resulting from your little incubator there could get
interesting.

Nina

Marian <marian.rosenberg@gmail.com> wrote:
M> On Jun 15, 2:07 am, c...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.) wrote:
>> READ, YOU STUPID COW.
>> http://compunction.org/healing.txt
M> I read everything on the page. It said:
M> Problem loading page X

you're the only one having a problem. what else is new.

M> and please don't call me a stupid cow, it isn't very nice.

i call them as i see them. i posted my link for you once already,
& you didn't even respond to thank me.

lish "it's been written with love
crank@got.net & it's been sealed with a kick." -jc
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70

The Queen of Cans and Jars <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote:
TQoCaJ> + how to heal a tattoo
TQoCaJ> + by lish, crank@got.net
TQoCaJ> There you go, stupid cow. Now you can stop making excuses for ignoring
TQoCaJ> good advice!

you have more patience than i do.

you should post new pics to that gorgeous neckpiece i sized &
placed for you. ;D

lish "the opinions that i don't give
crank@got.net are the opinions i don't got." -mm
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70

On Jun 14, 9:26 pm, Marian <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> and please don't call me a stupid cow, it isn't very nice.

The cows are the ones who should be complaining.


Kavin

On Jun 15, 10:34 am, dhrr...@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and
Jars) wrote:

> There you go, stupid cow. Now you can stop making excuses for ignoring
> good advice!

I won't spite myself by ignoring your advice but you are such an
incredibly rude person that I truly wish you hadn't given good advice
so that I could afford to ignore and forget you.

-M

Marian wrote:
> <snip>(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> > There you go, stupid cow. Now you can stop making excuses for ignoring
> > good advice!
>
> I won't spite myself by ignoring your advice but you are such an
> incredibly rude person that I truly wish you hadn't given good advice
> so that I could afford to ignore and forget you.

She gave good advice? I thought she offered a copy and paste of some
info and then called you a stupid cow. Not so difficult to ignore and
forget that, imo.

Anyway, how's your tattoo now?

--
Curt

Marian <marian.rosenberg@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 15, 10:34 am, dhrr...@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and
> Jars) wrote:
>
> > There you go, stupid cow. Now you can stop making excuses for ignoring
> > good advice!
>
> I won't spite myself by ignoring your advice but you are such an
> incredibly rude person that I truly wish you hadn't given good advice
> so that I could afford to ignore and forget you.

oh, boo fucking hoo.

i'll teach you to turn away. <crank@got.net> wrote:

> you should post new pics to that gorgeous neckpiece i sized &
> placed for you. ;D

yes, i should. i should also post some pics of my healed crow. maybe i
can get my camera-buddy to take some this week. since i'm OUT OF WORK
for the moment, i've got nothing but time.