Various Mundane Bodyart Information I Must Share

One:
Well, I have no metal jewellery in my body for the first time in at
least 18 years, and probably longer than that. I had to have an MRI
and stuff was in the way. Thanks to those who pointed me to
bodyartforms for cheap and cheerful acrylics in all sizes.

I'm going to leave the acrylic in for several weeks, on the off-chance
that I'll have to do it all again, getting the retainers in and
putting on 16G O-rings was no fun at all.

Two:
My newish nostril piercing has had various and sundry difficulties
since done. I had a stupid accident, then reacted to jewellery, then
the fancy Ti stuff seemed to calm it down, and then it made it worse.
In response to the MRI issue, I ended up with a 16G acrylic eyebrow
retainer in it, which it seems to love, go figure.

Three:
I dreamed that I had a backpiece completed. It was a very simple
piece based on the constellation Orion. I had it all planned out, and
went and got it done, and when I came home I looked in the mirror. As
I saw the edge of it, I realized that the artist had added some sort
of abstract doodles to the edge, I was a bit taken aback but decided I
liked them, then I turned more to see the whole piece, and found out
he'd added more than that. In the middle of my back was a large head
and shoulders shot of Yoda, grinning and doing the thumb's up sign
just like Buddy Christ in Dogma.

I'm not eating liverwurst and cheese before bedtime ever again.

nj"more of gravy than of grave"m

--
"I do not rhyme to that dull elf
Who cannot imagine to himself..."

"N Jill Marsh" <njmarsh@storm.ca> wrote in message
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>
> One:
> Well, I have no metal jewellery in my body for the first time in at
> least 18 years, and probably longer than that. I had to have an MRI
> and stuff was in the way.

Hope everything is okay . . . or will be


> I'm going to leave the acrylic in for several weeks, on the off-chance
> that I'll have to do it all again, getting the retainers in and
> putting on 16G O-rings was no fun at all.

Understand. However, remember acrylic is a potential carcinogen. Get it
out as soon as possible. You aren't the one I think should die an early
daeath.

> I ended up with a 16G acrylic eyebrow
> retainer in it, which it seems to love, go figure.

I still think some piercings wish to be abused.

As for the backpiece, maybe you secretly want a piece of crap artwork on
your back.

Kavin

Kavin wrote:

> As for the backpiece, maybe you secretly want a piece of crap artwork on
> your back.

A back tat!

Nina
--
C'est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.
Louis Pasteur
http://www.chaotropic.net

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:34:54 -0400, "Kavin" <kavintaylor@gmail.com>
wrote:

>"N Jill Marsh" <njmarsh@storm.ca> wrote in message
>news:cgl1a39uja3ka8p7ui5i79oesr7k5vtspq@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> One:
>> Well, I have no metal jewellery in my body for the first time in at
>> least 18 years, and probably longer than that. I had to have an MRI
>> and stuff was in the way.
>
>Hope everything is okay . . . or will be

Eh, probably, I'm not too worried.

>> I'm going to leave the acrylic in for several weeks, on the off-chance
>> that I'll have to do it all again, getting the retainers in and
>> putting on 16G O-rings was no fun at all.
>
>Understand. However, remember acrylic is a potential carcinogen. Get it
>out as soon as possible. You aren't the one I think should die an early
>daeath.

I'm even less worried about acrylic getting me than my brane. It
could be my brane telling me to think that, though.

>> I ended up with a 16G acrylic eyebrow
>> retainer in it, which it seems to love, go figure.
>
>I still think some piercings wish to be abused.

Maybe, I'm kind of a believer in short term trauma helping the healing
process at times. I think this was more a of case of it being a
better option in the long run than what was the theoretically "right"
piece of jewellery. It was 16 rather than 18G, which sits snugger,
and the end part is a lot bigger; I think the screw end was small
enough and the screw mobile enough that it was wobbling around and
continually irritating the bit that was already irritated from the
initial jewellery change and metal reaction.

Of course, the morning after I wrote that, I woke up with no retainer
in my nostril. I put in a 16G labret barbell in lieu of, it's a bit
shorter than I think is ideal, but a similar non-moving about sort of
fit, so things are still more or less happy. I have a slightly longer
one on the way, which I think will be perfect.

It pisses me off that I have to order jewellery rather than buy it
locally, but there's never any end to bad experiences every time I go
into a shop nowadays. The only decent piercer in town packed up and
went to Toronto. The Best Beloved is working away from home this
summer, so I had no convenient little fingers to help me and very
little time, so I went in last week to the most reputable local shop
to get some help getting the o-rings on and to figure out a solution
to the nostril, and came away really frustrated.

Apparently, I am too old and normal looking to be treated like a human
when I go into any local shop these days.

Then, the piercer came out and looked at me and said,

"Your nose is really infected."

"No, I don't think so, I think it's just very irritated."

"And it has a HUGE keloid on it."

"No, that's really just irritation."

I explain what I need, he doesn't want to put the o-rings on me,
apparently I don't really need them, because eye-brow retainers are
just going to stay in a rook, a tragus, an anti-tragus and a daith all
by themselves.

"I'd still like them on, in case I have to have surgery, I want to
make sure they don't come off under any circumstances."

Much sighing later, he finally does it. Then he refuses to try and
put a nostril retainer in my nose, because of the "huge keloid", he
tells me that I should either abandon the piercing or go home and do
several weeks of sea-salt soaks, which apparently fix keloids, or buy
this nostril screw from him which won't solve any of my immediate
problems but might solve one of his. I coax him into trying to put in
the retainer, he does, and pronounces it impossible.

"You should abandon it, then come back and I'll pierce it for you
again. If that huge keloid goes away, which it probably won't."

"I've never abandoned a piercing before, though I have retired some,
and I have no intention of starting with this one."

"It's not like abandoning a kid, you know, and you were pierced with
crappy jewellery."

"Well, as I told you, this isn't the original jewellery, the
originally jewellery is exactly what you are trying to sell me,
because this piercing was done at your Toronto store, but this
jewellery is implant grade titanium from anatometal, I don't think
it's crappy jewellery."

"Then why is it holding bacteria and making it infected, huh?"

"It's not infected, it's just very irritated."

"What do /I/ know, /I'm/ just the piercer?"

Yes, I refrained from answering this, and suggested he put in the last
16G eyebrow retainer in it instead.

"That won't fit, it's too big, and it will make the infection and the
keloid worse."

"I ran a 16G taper through this recently, there'll be no problem,
trust me."

Big sigh, rolling eyes, he puts it in, but there's no o-ring for it.
No matter, there's something in it and I can get the MRI and keep the
piercing.

In less than three hours, there is no swelling, no redness, nothing,
the piercing just looks like it's in process of healing. The change
was so fast it was unsettling.

>As for the backpiece, maybe you secretly want a piece of crap artwork on
>your back.

Personally I think I'm just confusing Yoda with Jesus. Who wouldn't?

I'm currently covered with Sharpie artwork. I allowed now-ex
customers and co-workers to decorate me for the Harry Potter party
last night. I have the Dark Mark, various spiders and snakes, a
"Slytherin Forever" sort of biker tattoo, and runes around my neck
that say "eat shit and die", or maybe, "what's inside is cheap and
tasty", I'm not sure which, the geek that put in them on could have
gone either way.

Either would be appropriate for leaving a retail job.

nj"gone straight"m


--
"I do not rhyme to that dull elf
Who cannot imagine to himself..."

Kavin <kavintaylor@gmail.com> wrote:
K> Understand. However, remember acrylic is a potential carcinogen. Get it

i haven't heard of this. are you talking dental acrylic?

lish "i really do have a-"
crank@got.net "HONK HONK NOT GIVING A SHIT" -tf
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70

N Jill Marsh wrote:

> I'm currently covered with Sharpie artwork. I allowed now-ex
> customers and co-workers to decorate me for the Harry Potter party
> last night. I have the Dark Mark, various spiders and snakes, a
> "Slytherin Forever" sort of biker tattoo, and runes around my neck

hahaha. I recently read an exchange about what would happen with the
Dark Mark once Voldemort dies. One guy suggested it will display
"searching network" until it logs in with the next evil overlord :D.

Nina
--
C'est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.
Louis Pasteur
http://www.chaotropic.net

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:55:53 +0200, Nina Baltes <chaotropic@gmx.de>
wrote:

>N Jill Marsh wrote:
>
>> I'm currently covered with Sharpie artwork. I allowed now-ex
>> customers and co-workers to decorate me for the Harry Potter party
>> last night. I have the Dark Mark, various spiders and snakes, a
>> "Slytherin Forever" sort of biker tattoo, and runes around my neck
>
>hahaha. I recently read an exchange about what would happen with the
>Dark Mark once Voldemort dies.

What? Voldemort dies? ARGH! I was sure that he was going to reform
and get married to Harry and they would spend a happy life together
running a reptile rescue. I know the series has to has a happy
ending, so I'm rooting for that one.

>One guy suggested it will display
>"searching network" until it logs in with the next evil overlord :D.

Mine's just faded a bit, though I'm wondering if I should wear long
sleeves and a high necked shirt to my very conservative workplace
tomorrow, oh, and a lawyer's visit.

nj"nah"m

--
"I do not rhyme to that dull elf
Who cannot imagine to himself..."

On Jul 21, 5:59 pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
wrote:
> Kavin <kavintay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> K> Understand. However, remember acrylic is a potential carcinogen. Getit
>
> i haven't heard of this. are you talking dental acrylic?

>From piercing.org (and yes, I have permission):

Acrylic has not been proven safe to wear for any extended period of
time, especially in the mouth, mucous membrane, or genitals. The main
problem with acrylic is that body temperature causes it to degrade and
release monomer vapors, which are as toxic as carbon monoxide. Ethyl
acetate in particular is a carcinogen. The ethyl acetate and
methylmethacrylate monomers are the biggest problem with clear and or
colored (Plexiglas© or Lucite© methylmethacrylate) acrylic resin
jewelry. Even somewhat below body temperature (80° F or warmer), they
are constantly released into the body. These chemicals are slightly
toxic and known to cause damage to living tissue, as well as
increasing the risk of skin cancer in that area.


The other problem is that it does scratch easily and therefore can
irritate a piercing.

Kavin

KavinTaylor@gmail.com <KavinTaylor@gmail.com> wrote:
Kgc> On Jul 21, 5:59 pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
>> i haven't heard of this. are you talking dental acrylic?
>>From piercing.org (and yes, I have permission):
Kgc> Acrylic has not been proven safe to wear for any extended period of
Kgc> time, especially in the mouth, mucous membrane, or genitals. The main
Kgc> colored (Plexiglas? or Lucite? methylmethacrylate) acrylic resin

ok, so does this mean dental acrylic? afaik, that's a higher grade
which is meant to be more permanent within the mouth &, i would presume,
in contact with other tissues.

Kgc> The other problem is that it does scratch easily and therefore can
Kgc> irritate a piercing.

sure, but so does steel.

lish "i have holes poked in me
crank@got.net rendering me useless to collectors." -jerkcity
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70

On Jul 23, 12:31 am, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
wrote:

> ok, so does this mean dental acrylic? afaik, that's a higher grade
> which is meant to be more permanent within the mouth &, i would presume,
> in contact with other tissues.

Everything I look at says the difference is whether it is Methyl
Methacrylate or Ethyl Methacrylate. Methyl is bad.

But Methyl is okay for dental because it is "harder" than if it is
used in fake nails. Or so one materials sheet says so.

I've got to have a bonding re-done on a molar. I'm still going for
the bond, not a crown.

Where the fuck is Nina to answer this question?


Kavin

KavinTaylor@gmail.com <KavinTaylor@gmail.com> wrote:
Kgc> On Jul 23, 12:31 am, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
>> ok, so does this mean dental acrylic? afaik, that's a higher grade
>> which is meant to be more permanent within the mouth &, i would presume,
>> in contact with other tissues.
Kgc> Everything I look at says the difference is whether it is Methyl
Kgc> Methacrylate or Ethyl Methacrylate. Methyl is bad.

so how can we tell the difference?

"wait & see if you get cancer." :D

no, srsly. how?

Kgc> I've got to have a bonding re-done on a molar. I'm still going for
Kgc> the bond, not a crown.

i finally finished fashioning a fixture to joe's extracted molar
the other day, & was able to put it on a necklace. our office was not
certain how to take my new jewelry.

Kgc> Where the fuck is Nina to answer this question?

i've been distracting her in email. i blame only myself.

lish "no one is too young
crank@got.net to die." -jc
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70

KavinTaylor@gmail.com wrote:

> Where the fuck is Nina to answer this question?

*You* claimed it was dangerous, so do your own damn research :P.

Apparently, dental acrylics *can* cause reactions but are deemed safe
for the wearer. Nothing about cancer. The people who work with the
materials though, that's another story.

Nina
--
C'est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.
Louis Pasteur
http://www.chaotropic.net

On Jul 23, 6:39 pm, Nina Baltes <chaotro...@gmx.de> wrote:
> *You* claimed it was dangerous, so do your own damn research :P.

UV acrylic is dangerous, from my understanding. The weird thing is
trying to find information on dental acrylics. Supposedly, the
American Dental Association standards are stricter than ASTM
standards, but you can't easily find out what the ADA standards are.
This is the same group that tells us that Mercury Amalgams are safe.

I'm not a conspiracy buff, but it is beginning to look strange.

Kavin

On 24 Jul., 04:32, "KavinTay...@gmail.com" <KavinTay...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm not a conspiracy buff, but it is beginning to look strange.

Stop it, you'll summon the dentists.

Nina