"Excuse me officer, is that a half sleeve?"

"Excuse me officer, is that a half sleeve? I'm afraid I'm going to
have to give you a ticket. Don't make me pepper spray you. This is a
citizen's arrest!"

Louie Mercer, director of the police and fire academy at Daytona Beach
Community College and a retired Daytona Beach Police commander,
described a tattoo he saw on one of his students with the following
words.

"It was an entire storyline, from her neck all the way down her arm.
It had a motorcycle, a reaper and, like, a cave or something." /quote

heh :o)

That's "and, like, a cave or something." I wonder if Mercer was a
detective during his career. Those powers of observation or mighty
impressive.

Police draw line on tattoos

More follow military's lead, set restrictions

By Matt Reed
Florida Today

Tattoos are becoming increasingly taboo for police and military
personnel.

A growing list of police agencies across the nation have adopted or
drafted stricter policies on how much "body art" officers can show and
still look uniform and professional. Many require officers to cover
tattoos with long sleeves and pants, even in the summer heat.

The Brevard County Sheriff's Office is among those drafting a policy,
Chief Deputy Mike Lewis said. But it's still in the brainstorming
phase, as the drafters study policies from other departments and the
military, he said.

In March, the Marine Corps began prohibiting tattoos that would be
visible when Marines wear their exercise uniforms. The Air Force has
strict rules banning "excessive" tattoos.

"What we're seeing is a trend, with younger people coming out of the
military and they're getting more tattoos," said Capt. Mark Strobridge
of the Orange County Sheriff's Office, which expects to finalize a new
tattoo policy after August. "We find highly qualified individuals, but
their appearance is not in keeping with grooming standards for law
enforcement."

The policies follow a 2006 U.S. appeals court ruling that found
Hartford, Conn., police officers' tattoos do not enjoy First Amendment
protection and can be subject to department uniform rules.

They also coincide with moves by the military to limit "excessive"
tattoos on members of the armed services.

Some police agencies consider any visible tattoo excessive, while
others address marks covering more than one-fourth or one-third of an
officer's arm or leg.

Tattooed officers in warmer regions have complained about orders to
wear long sleeves and pants in places such as Central Florida, where
mid-day temperatures last week hovered at 90 degrees with 75 percent
humidity.

"We fought long and hard to get a summer uniform here in the
sweltering heat, and they want people to cover up to their wrists and
ankles in hot polyester while directing traffic and wearing a 25-pound
gun belt?" said Cpl. John Park, a violent-crime unit member and
president of the Central Florida Police Benevolent Association.

"This has been one of the more controversial issues we've dealt with."

About 36 percent of Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 have at
least one tattoo, according to survey published last year in the
Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology.

Writing a fair policy has been difficult because while tattoos have
important personal meanings to officers, the citizens they serve may
be intimidated or offended by them, Strobridge said.

"It's a matter of professionalism," said Toni Brandenburger, who lives
in suburban Orange County east of Orlando. "I wouldn't be intimidated.
But I might think twice about asking directions from someone with a
big grim reaper on their arm."

"I have noticed more tattoos," added Louie Mercer, director of the
police and fire academy at Daytona Beach Community College.

Mercer, a retired Daytona Beach Police commander, described an ornate
tattoo he spotted recently on one of his students: "It was an entire
storyline, from her neck all the way down her arm. It had a
motorcycle, a reaper and, like, a cave or something."

Mercer thinks tattoos are merely a sign of diversity -- that police
agencies run best when they reflect the communities they serve.

Police vary across the U.S.:

In Southern California, Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton in
2005 ordered the city's force of more than 9,000 officers to cover any
visible tattoos with clothing or skin-colored patches. In San Diego,
police officers must conceal any markings that cover 30 percent or
more of exposed body parts.

Houston police must wear winter clothes year-round to cover tattoos -
or have them removed.

In Maryland, Baltimore and Baltimore County forbid any visible tattoos
on officers.

The Kentucky State Police turn away applicants who have visible
tattoos or have markings that could be considered offensive.

At a Marine Corps symposium last year, sergeants major complained that
tattoos covering entire limbs did not reflect traditional Marine
values - even for a service with a centuries-old custom among members
of proudly wearing tattoos.

Marines who already have tattoos must document them to commanders.

Army recruits now may have tattoos on their hands and back of the neck
as long as the markings aren't racist, sexist or otherwise offensive.
The move enacted in February 2006 was meant to bolster recruiting.

The Air Force, however, has not loosened up. It prohibits tattoos that
cover more than 25 percent of exposed body parts and any above the
collarbone.

Ken Warren, spokesman for Patrick Air Force Base and the 45th Space
Wing explained in an e-mail to FLORIDA TODAY:

"It is a clearly defined rule for anyone entering the Air Force or
already on duty in the Air Force that 'excessive' tattoos/brandings
cannot be visible while in uniform. In addition, any distasteful or
inappropriate tattoos/brandings must be removed and any members
failing to remove or alter unauthorized tattoos in a timely manner may
be subject to disciplinary action or involuntary separation." /copy
and paste from http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...707240342/1006
aka http://tinyurl.com/2pg96x

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Curt

On Jul 24, 11:21 pm, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snipped the potential copyright infringement>

11:09 -- Curt bitches at me in another post
11:21 -- Curt posts an article from a copyrighted site in order to be
what, helpful?

Bad bank, good bank.

Hope it made you feel better.

Kavin

Kavin Taylor wrote:
> Curt wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

See that? Most people call that attribution. Typically there's text
from the attributed person included, you know, so "One can easily see
which statements belong to which author."

http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote1.html

> <snipped the potential copyright infringement>

Ooooooh! Call the cops.

Make sure they have their tattoos covered, though. See also:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...74cad86a118ef9
aka http://tinyurl.com/2js7t5

11:00? Kavin cries about other people having piercings where
apparently he's the only person who has the bestestest piercings. Duh.

> 11:09 -- Curt bitches at me in another post

11:10? Kavin reads post and then reaches for diary.

> 11:21 -- Curt posts an article from a copyrighted site in order to be
> what, helpful?

11:22? Kavin's underoos rise into a bunch.

> Bad bank, good bank.
>
> Hope it made you feel better.

Hey, you too, pal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbios...s_of_Symbiosis

11:23? Kavin writes in his diary: "I told him. Yay me."

--
Curt

On Jul 25, 10:40 am, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>

> 11:10? Kavin reads post and then reaches for diary.
<snip>
> 11:22? Kavin's underoos rise into a bunch.
<snip>
> 11:23? Kavin writes in his diary: "I told him. Yay me."

Was this an example of originality?


Kavin

On Jul 25, 10:40 am, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> See that? Most people call that attribution. Typically there's text
> from the attributed person included, you know, so "One can easily see
> which statements belong to which author."

That addressed what?

I said nothing about attribution.

Typical Curt.

Kavin

Kavin Taylor wrote:
> Curt wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Attribution!

> <snip>

Judicious snipping.

> > 11:10? Kavin reads post and then reaches for diary.
> <snip>
> > 11:22? Kavin's underoos rise into a bunch.
> <snip>
> > 11:23? Kavin writes in his diary: "I told him. Yay me."

Related text by attributed author.

I guess you can learn. :o)

> Was this an example of originality?
>
> Kavin

ahahahHAHA! I'd say so. And I see you've got a really cool entry for
your diary, too. Sweet.

--
Curt

Kavin Taylor wrote:

> On Jul 25, 10:40 am, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> > See that? Most people call that attribution. Typically there's text
> > from the attributed person included, you know, so "One can easily see
> > which statements belong to which author."
>
> That addressed what?

Who's on first? What's on second!

> I said nothing about attribution.

Kavin, "On Jul 25, 10:40 am, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:" is the
attribution.

> Typical Curt.

And, like I said, *typically* there's text from the attributed person
included, you know, so "One can easily see which statements belong to
which author." See also: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote1.html

Pay attention.

--
Curt

"Excuse me officer, is that a half sleeve? I'm afraid I'm going to
have to give you a ticket. Don't make me pepper spray you. This is a
citizen's arrest!"

I especially liked Louie Mercer's comments. Director of the police and
fire academy at Daytona Beach Community College and a retired Daytona
Beach Police commander, he described a tattoo he saw on one of his
students with the following words.

"It was an entire storyline, from her neck all the way down her arm.
It had a motorcycle, a reaper and, like, a cave or something." /quote

heh :o)

That's "and, like, a cave or something."

Awesome.

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...707240342/1006
aka http://tinyurl.com/2pg96x

See also: And http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html :o)

--
Curt

Kavin Taylor wrote:
> Curt wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

See that? Most people call that attribution. Typically there's text
from the attributed person included, you know, so "One can easily see
which statements belong to which author."

http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote1.html

> <snipped the potential copyright infringement>

Ooooooh! Call the cops.

Make sure they have their tattoos covered, though. See also:
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...707240342/1006
aka http://tinyurl.com/2pg96x

11:00? Kavin cries about other people having piercings where
apparently he's the only person who has the bestestest piercings. Duh.

> 11:09 -- Curt bitches at me in another post

11:10? Kavin reads post and then reaches for diary.

> 11:21 -- Curt posts an article from a copyrighted site in order to be
> what, helpful?

11:22? Kavin's underoos rise into a bunch.

> Bad bank, good bank.
>
> Hope it made you feel better.

Hey, you too, pal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbios...s_of_Symbiosis

11:23? Kavin writes in his diary: "I told him. Yay me."

--
Curt

On Jul 25, 1:09 pm, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:

cj> See also:http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote1.html
>
> Pay attention.

Why not try http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html instead.

Kavin

Kavin Taylor wrote:
> Curt wrote:
>
> cj> See also: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote1.html
>
> > Pay attention.
>
> Why not try http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html instead.

Whatever.

--
Curt

On Jul 26, 11:16 pm, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kavin Taylor wrote:
> > Curt wrote:
>
> > cj> See also:http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote1.html
>
cj> > > Pay attention.
>
kt> > Why not tryhttp://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.htmlinstead.
>
cj> Whatever.

Oh, that's right. Ethics. Not followed. Certainly not taught.

You cannot die soon enough.


Kavin

Kavin Taylor wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> Kavin Taylor wrote:
> > > Curt wrote:
>
> > > cj> See also: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote1.html

A link to attribution, btw. As you don't seem to fully understand what
that means.

> cj> > > Pay attention.

And that here-again-gone-again initials thingy is inconsistent at
best. Just sayin'

> kt> > Why not try http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html instead.
>
> cj> Whatever.
>
> Oh, that's right.

Yes, that is right. Copying an article wholesale obviously isn't the
issue, is it?

And not to justify, but to point out facts: I noted where the original
article could be found and I also credited the author. If anything,
those websites and authors might have new readers.

Regardless, your Sheriff Taylor act is meaningless as you don't follow
your own apparent ethics consistently. Seem to recall other articles
posted wholesale in the past year without your commenting on copyright
infringement.

> Ethics.

Preach on!

> Not followed. Certainly not taught.
>
> You cannot die soon enough.

heh

What does "Ethics" mean to you exactly? ;o)

--
Curt

On Jul 27, 9:46 am, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
cj (does it make you happy?)> And not to justify, but to point out
facts:

Yeah, because you say it it makes it so? It's justification. even if
YOU call it something else..

cj> I noted where the original
cj> article could be found and I also credited the author.

And that doesn't violate the terms of service of the website how? Or
by the way, Google's TOS?

cj> If anything,
cj> those websites and authors might have new readers.

Justification.

cj> Regardless, your Sheriff Taylor act is meaningless as you don't
follow
cj> your own apparent ethics consistently. Seem to recall other
articles
cj> posted wholesale in the past year without your commenting on
copyright
cj> infringement.

Perhaps I didn't realize it was an infringement? Or perhaps I just
hate YOU? But are you really saying that you think unless all
infringements are pointed out, none should be pointed out? You are a
child.

cj> What does "Ethics" mean to you exactly? ;o)

Curt, wanting something you find harmful to society to be dead, and
holding that belief steadfastly is ethical, especially if you apply
that thought across the board to all dangers to humanity. You, the
Iraq war, the child-proofing of homes -- all a danger to society. All
should cease to exist.

Kavin

Kavin Taylor wrote:
[...]

> Yeah, because you say it it makes it so? <snip>

Sounds good. Let's go with that.

--
Curt