live and learn

The piercing of doom, done by the hack man, is going away next week. It has
migrated quite a bit. I *knew* that was what was happening. Sometimes you
have to have faith that you know what your own body is doing.

I have a set of instructions from the piercer who doesn't suck for getting
rid of the pussy nonsense so we can remove the jewelery safely. He was
appalled at the jewelery selection and wanted to know "who had done this to
me." He says we can work on the scar tissue so I can pierce again sometime
later.


Assuming I don't have Hep C, I won't consider anything that I learned from a
failure. But right now, dang it, I am bummed out about my loss of what I
thought was going to be a lovely piercing.

Anyway, hope I am not crashing anyone's buzz. I did want to say thanks to
you all who helped me. All my friends, who know as nothing as I do, were
telling me that ya know it looks ugly when it is healing. Just wait it will
heal. Well luckily you guys started the grey matter into working and made me
take a look. I wish the piercer dude who knows his ass from his elbow was
not on vacation this past week when it got so much worse. But you get what
you get.

Thanks again.

On Aug 17, 8:39 pm, "Stephanie" <h...@noway.net> wrote:

<snip and snip>
S>I am bummed out about my loss of what I
S> thought was going to be a lovely piercing.

I just re-read your original posts.

Although you may not have noticed, several of us gave some solid
advice. Someone else wanted to be more argumentative and "cute" with
his answers. Okay, it was Curt who was trying to be cute. If you
went to his website, you would notice he doesn't heal piercings. Oh,
he'll say it's all for the "experience." Whatever. But he has
abandoned many more piercings than he has ever (or will ever) heal.
That is a warning to you or anyone else reading this.

My point is simple: LIMA or LITHA are the ways to heal. Start with
the best jewelry you can afford -- but if crap is all you can afford,
don't get the piercing. Glib is fine, but it doesn't heal a
piercing. Do your research, and maybe, when some of us offer advice,
you'll look back at some other posts. We may be abrasive, but we do
know what we are talking about.

Lish has the pictures.

Kavin

<KavinTaylor@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 17, 8:39 pm, "Stephanie" <h...@noway.net> wrote:
>
> <snip and snip>
> S>I am bummed out about my loss of what I
> S> thought was going to be a lovely piercing.
>
> I just re-read your original posts.
>
> Although you may not have noticed, several of us gave some solid
> advice. Someone else wanted to be more argumentative and "cute" with
> his answers. Okay, it was Curt who was trying to be cute. If you
> went to his website, you would notice he doesn't heal piercings. Oh,
> he'll say it's all for the "experience." Whatever. But he has
> abandoned many more piercings than he has ever (or will ever) heal.
> That is a warning to you or anyone else reading this.
>
> My point is simple: LIMA or LITHA are the ways to heal.




I concur. And I did. I believe that the problem was the placement and choice
of jewelery. But I wasted a bunch of time trying to discern good advice from
bad and finding a piercer who knew his ass from his elbow to even look at
it.

I have nothing but appreciation for the advice I got here. I hope you don't
think I hold you folks in any way responsible.


> Start with
> the best jewelry you can afford -- but if crap is all you can afford,
> don't get the piercing.


Money was never an object for me. I mean a good piece of jewelery is 30
bucks from what I can see. We're not talking zillions!


> Glib is fine, but it doesn't heal a
> piercing. Do your research, and maybe, when some of us offer advice,
> you'll look back at some other posts. We may be abrasive, but we do
> know what we are talking about.
>
> Lish has the pictures.
>
> Kavin
>

Thanks, man.

KavinTaylor@gmail.com <KavinTaylor@gmail.com> wrote:
Kgc> On Aug 17, 8:39 pm, "Stephanie" <h...@noway.net> wrote:
Kgc> <snip and snip>
S>>I am bummed out about my loss of what I
S>> thought was going to be a lovely piercing.
Kgc> My point is simple: LIMA or LITHA are the ways to heal. Start with

once again for the record: http://compunction.org/healing2.txt

Kgc> you'll look back at some other posts. We may be abrasive, but we do
Kgc> know what we are talking about.
Kgc> Lish has the pictures.

you might also be interested in my ten year old triple navel, all
self-done: http://compunction.org/art.html :D

lish "do you think you can forget anything?
crank@got.net i am the saint of indecency." -jc
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70

Stephanie <haaa@noway.net> wrote:
S> I have nothing but appreciation for the advice I got here. I hope you don't
S> think I hold you folks in any way responsible.

not for a second. you don't know shit about piercings, but you
have a good attitude & can be taught. that's enough for me.

S> Money was never an object for me. I mean a good piece of jewelery is 30
S> bucks from what I can see. We're not talking zillions!

precisely. plus bodyartforms.com has great prices.

lish "what part of 'shithead'
crank@got.net makes you raise your hand?" -rgp
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70

Kavin Taylor wrote:
[...]

> Although you may not have noticed, several of us gave some solid
> advice. Someone else wanted to be more argumentative and "cute"
> with his answers. Okay, it was Curt who was trying to be cute. If
> you went to his website,

Appreciate the advertisement as always, Kavin.

http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/stuff.html

> you would notice he doesn't heal piercings. Oh, he'll say it's all for
> the "experience." Whatever. But he has abandoned many more
> piercings than he has ever (or will ever) heal. That is a warning to
> you or anyone else reading this.<snip>

If you're talking about the nipple thread then what "solid advice" did
she receive there? Cute isAnd non you. I simply jokingly pointed out
two typos. And nipples happen to be piercings that I had absolutely no
problem with.

So, as you say, "Whatever."

Your participation in that thread amounted to sniping. Hey, knock
yourself out.

--
Curt

On Aug 18, 10:27 pm, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:

KYLE> Your participation in that thread amounted to sniping.

I really think you need to re-read. And this time, don't let the
boner do the reading for you. You obviously need more than one eye.

And maybe you should read Steph's post. SHE did not say anything like
I was sniping.

Oh, but then, YMMV, IMO. Hth.

Yeah, qualify everything. That way, you're never wrong. Isn't that
your working theory?

Kavin

Kavin Taylor wrote:
[...]

> Yeah, qualify everything. That way, you're never wrong. <snip>

You're the one who's seemingly worried about being wrong. Direct me to
the post in the "piercing question I have not seen mentioned" thread
where you offered the OP solid advice.

--
Curt

Kavin Taylor wrote:
[...]

> <snip> Curt <snip> doesn't heal piercings.

See below.

> Oh, he'll say it's all for the "experience." Whatever.

You don't enjoy going for a piercing? You've never thought it was fun?
You wouldn't recommend a trip to the shop simply for the experience of
getting pierced?

> But he has abandoned many more piercings than
> he has ever (or will ever) heal. <snip>

And? Rhetorical.

You mentioned my web site at some point and so gave me a reason to
take a look at my piercing page again. And, hey, maybe you can explain
the following so far as "doesn't heal piercings" is concerned:

Navel pierced July 20, 2002 and then retired September 2005. Hmm.
Three years.
Nipples never gave me any problems at all. Period. Your buddy from MFW
even created a page to joke about the jewelry: http://www.rustyiron.net/curtinfl.jpg
Frenum pierced August 2003 and then retired June 2005. Nearly two
years.
Septum pierced January 2, 2004 and then unintentionally retired on
September 16 or 17, 2005. Again, almost two years.

Nipples and conch were both years without problem. Healed. Certainly
I've retired a ton of piercings, but where's the harm in that? Like I
state on the one web page, piercings are decorative and enjoyable.
That doesn't, however, mean they must remain in place forever.

And, yeah, hth. ;o)

See: http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/piercings.html

--
Curt

"i'll teach you to turn away." <crank@got.net> wrote in message
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> Stephanie <haaa@noway.net> wrote:
> S> I have nothing but appreciation for the advice I got here. I hope you
> don't
> S> think I hold you folks in any way responsible.
>
> not for a second. you don't know shit about piercings, but you
> have a good attitude & can be taught. that's enough for me.


Ok well I do have some questions, then, if you are willing to answer them.


Normal folks who know jack about piercing, like oh say men and 10 of my best
friends, think migration and infection are related. I had mentioned to a
couple of friends that the ring is coming out. And each of them said oh it
got infected? Yeah it currently is infected. But I'd bet my last dollar
that the migration began before the infection. I can clearly remember a day
when there was a subtle change from it not feeling like anything. to feeling
like slight pressure. There was some red and unpretttiness around the holw
that almost looked like a little trail. And I thought that it was migrating.
So question 1, Migrating is caused by what? In my case, I think my jewelery
is just so impossibly large that there was no way to keep it from flattening
out on my body causing it to sit at a funny angle. It did get knocked about.
Even through my clothing. So in my case, I think it was trauma that made my
body say good bye, not infection.


Is it possible to save a piercing that has begun migrating? I don't plan on
it since the guy I have found and respect says it has to go, we can repierce
again later. I am not ever going to be a do it yourselfer. I just know this
about me. The stuff I have read says that a migrating piercing is done. It
can't be saved. I have a friend (ok acquaintance if you gotta know) who
claims she took her migrating piercing, changed the jewelery and globbed
bacitracin on it for a week and it was saved. I am thinking that this is an
unusual case, or it really was not migrating. Like if the ancients could
pierce with pieces of wood, then sometimes any old nastily handled piercing
is sometimes going to heal up. (This friend of mine wanted to see the
piercing since we were discussing it. She had just been eating finger foods.
Walked up, grabbed the ring with her filthy mitts, and turned it in order to
"help me tighten the ball." She got smacked.)

And finally, where does one go for real and reliable information on
piercings? Lish your site is wonderful, but limited, as far as I can see. I
don't see considerations on chosing jewelery for a body part, issues for
specific body parts (like is it true that eyebrow piercings very, very
frequently migrate eventually and are often considered "play" piercings?)



>
> S> Money was never an object for me. I mean a good piece of jewelery is 30
> S> bucks from what I can see. We're not talking zillions!
>
> precisely. plus bodyartforms.com has great prices.
>

That answers one of my questions, actually. I looked on the 'net myself. I
was looking for jewelery to replace what I have, before it started
migrating. Or before I know it was migrating. There are a zillion sites. How
do you know which ones make decent quality jewelery. Now I know.

Thanks.

> lish "what part of 'shithead'
> crank@got.net makes you raise your hand?" -rgp
> 43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70
>

<KavinTaylor@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 18, 10:27 pm, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> KYLE> Your participation in that thread amounted to sniping.
>
> I really think you need to re-read. And this time, don't let the
> boner do the reading for you. You obviously need more than one eye.
>
> And maybe you should read Steph's post. SHE did not say anything like
> I was sniping.
>


What, exactly, is sniping?

> Oh, but then, YMMV, IMO. Hth.
>
> Yeah, qualify everything. That way, you're never wrong. Isn't that
> your working theory?
>
> Kavin
>
>

On Aug 19, 12:16 am, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kavin Taylor wrote:
>
> [...]
>
KT> > Yeah, qualify everything. That way, you're never wrong. <snip>
>
C> You're the one who's seemingly worried about being wrong.

Ah, the irony of your post to me that follows, where you try to prove
how many piercings you've retained.

Hard-on.

Kavin

On Aug 19, 9:05 am, "Stephanie" <h...@noway.net> wrote:

S> But I'd bet my last dollar
S> that the migration began before the infection.

Your body tries to get rid of it from day one. That is why implant
grade, sterile conditions and proper jewelry are VERY important. And
placement. In fact, you may have a navel that really isn't
pierceable.

But if it is infected, and you've removed the jewelry, you may have a
bigger problem in having trapped the bacteria in the wound (and all
piercings are wounds). Some may suggest you get a taper and try to
open the piercing, using an antibiotic ointment as lube. I'm not a
big fan. I'd go to a doctor.

S> Migrating is caused by what? In my case, I think my jewelery
S> is just so impossibly large that there was no way to keep it from
flattening
S> out on my body causing it to sit at a funny angle.

First, see above. Then, the question is if you mean the diameter was
too large. Again, I don't believe in healing with rings. You've just
seen one of the reasons. Yes, your migration could have been
mechanical.

S> Is it possible to save a piercing that has begun migrating?

I don't think so. Some will migrate just a little. But if it
continues, it's pointless.


S> And finally, where does one go for real and reliable information on
S> piercings?

Piercing.org



Kavin

On Aug 19, 9:06 am, "Stephanie" <h...@noway.net> wrote:

> What, exactly, is sniping?

Basically, snide remarks.

I will accept "Bitchy" remarks, mixed with sound piercing advice.

Or even "catty" remarks,

Sorta like someone's comments about people who don't know anything
about piercings, "like men."

Kavin

Stephanie <haaa@noway.net> wrote:
S> "i'll teach you to turn away." <crank@got.net> wrote in message
S> Ok well I do have some questions, then, if you are willing to answer them.

i'm willing to answer the ones not covered in my text.

S> So question 1, Migrating is caused by what? In my case, I think my jewelery

infection, irritation, mechanical stress, allergic reaction to
jewelry, bad luck. some people can't heal a simple earlobe piercing. some
people can heal ANYTHING (ie shannon & his forehead surface bars, oh i
miss those).

S> is just so impossibly large that there was no way to keep it from flattening
S> out on my body causing it to sit at a funny angle. It did get knocked about.

then this is mechanical stress with infection. the stress caused
the irritation opening the pathway for infection.

S> Even through my clothing. So in my case, I think it was trauma that made my
S> body say good bye, not infection.

ok.

S> Is it possible to save a piercing that has begun migrating? I don't plan on

sure, when you know the reason[s] it's doing so.

S> And finally, where does one go for real and reliable information on
S> piercings? Lish your site is wonderful, but limited, as far as I can see. I
S> don't see considerations on chosing jewelery for a body part, issues for
S> specific body parts (like is it true that eyebrow piercings very, very
S> frequently migrate eventually and are often considered "play" piercings?)

i think i started a "how to choose your jewelry" faq a while back,
but never finished it. perhaps i'll bother.

piercings on parallel surfaces are easier to heal due to lesser
stress. eyebrows are rarely parallel surfaces. you're always dealing with
some minor mechanical stress with those. i wouldn't consider them play
piercings, but jewelry selection is critical.

>> precisely. plus bodyartforms.com has great prices.
S> That answers one of my questions, actually. I looked on the 'net myself. I
S> was looking for jewelery to replace what I have, before it started
S> migrating. Or before I know it was migrating. There are a zillion sites. How
S> do you know which ones make decent quality jewelery. Now I know.

BAF has a lot of crap for sale, too. i just said their prices are
great. industrial strength, custom steel, body circle - i know these
manufacturers well. don't spend less than $15 on any piece of steel &
you're probably fine. acrylic's much easier to get right, but is fully
unacceptable for healing tissue or longterm wear. glass & organics are
easier to trust. pass urls through us before buying if you want a
heads-up.

lish "it gives me a headache just trying
crank@got.net to think down to your level." -mr
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70