De-lurking, briefly

Hey there. Name's Whitewater, been lurking here for a while, figured I
might as well let folks know I'm reading.

I have four tattoos, two of which could properly be called 'tats', my
first one that I got nine years ago (which will one day be incorporated
into a much better custom art piece) and my second one, which I didn't
take care of quite right (I repeatedly had a shield slammed into my
upper arm, where the tattoo was, and didn't realize that when the scabs
got knocked off so would the color -- I know better now!). Both started
out as flash but I customized them considerably so I don't know now if
they're flash or not. Where is the line drawn?

The third and fourth are much better. One is definitely flash,
admittedly, but it suits me to a T and is an exact replica of one of the
daggers in my collection -- and the artist who drew it had no idea a
dagger like that actually existed in the real world, too wierd, so I
figured it was meant for me. The other is a custom design incorporating
various symbols for eternity and growth, also protection and strength.
It's two years old now and is my newest design.

My body takes to being tattooed like a duck to water. Aside from me
being an idiot, I've never had issues with healing or infections or
color loss (well, the pink in the nine-year old tat is beginning to fade
a bit, but you couldn't see it a lot to begin with, I have fair skin
with pink tones in it naturally, so the color was always kind of blendy)
and plan to get at least two more tattoos, one to symbolize my life's
re-birth and the other when I get married. Don't worry, I'm not going to
do anything stupid. But I get tattoos to signify major life events, and
getting married will be a pretty big one! I've had the design for over
ten years now. Just waiting for the right time.

I'm pierced too, just in my ears. I have/had a lot of trouble with ear
piercings so I'm going to stick with the ones I have for now, because
really, why tempt fate? Two lobe piercings and four cartilage piercings.
One of them I had to get re-pierced after a choreographed fight had my
partner accidentally ripping the earring out of my ear. He grabbed my
ear instead of my hair. Luckily, the earring came apart (don't ask me
how!) instead of my ear and instead of a major bad, it was a minor bad.
Kind of a blessing in disguise, really, as I was able to get some really
quality jewelry in there afterwards and went to a top-notch studio to
get it done over, once everything healed.

I love the text (FAQ?) healing instructions that lish posted in early
June. Absolutely love. It's in my favorites, and if anybody I know gets
a tattoo I will print it out and give it to them! I found myself nodding
along for most of it.

Anyway, back to lurking for me. Thought I'd share.


Whitewater

Wolf Whitewater wrote:
> Hey there. Name's Whitewater, been lurking here for a while, figured I
> might as well let folks know I'm reading.
>
> I have four tattoos, two of which could properly be called 'tats', my
> first one that I got nine years ago (which will one day be incorporated
> into a much better custom art piece) and my second one, which I didn't
> take care of quite right (I repeatedly had a shield slammed into my
> upper arm, where the tattoo was, and didn't realize that when the scabs
> got knocked off so would the color -- I know better now!). Both started
> out as flash but I customized them considerably so I don't know now if
> they're flash or not. Where is the line drawn?
>
> The third and fourth are much better. One is definitely flash,
> admittedly, but it suits me to a T and is an exact replica of one of the
> daggers in my collection -- and the artist who drew it had no idea a
> dagger like that actually existed in the real world, too wierd, so I
> figured it was meant for me. The other is a custom design incorporating
> various symbols for eternity and growth, also protection and strength.
> It's two years old now and is my newest design.
>
> My body takes to being tattooed like a duck to water. Aside from me
> being an idiot, I've never had issues with healing or infections or
> color loss (well, the pink in the nine-year old tat is beginning to fade
> a bit, but you couldn't see it a lot to begin with, I have fair skin
> with pink tones in it naturally, so the color was always kind of blendy)
> and plan to get at least two more tattoos, one to symbolize my life's
> re-birth and the other when I get married. Don't worry, I'm not going to
> do anything stupid. But I get tattoos to signify major life events, and
> getting married will be a pretty big one! I've had the design for over
> ten years now. Just waiting for the right time.
>
> I'm pierced too, just in my ears. I have/had a lot of trouble with ear
> piercings so I'm going to stick with the ones I have for now, because
> really, why tempt fate? Two lobe piercings and four cartilage piercings.
> One of them I had to get re-pierced after a choreographed fight had my
> partner accidentally ripping the earring out of my ear. He grabbed my
> ear instead of my hair. Luckily, the earring came apart (don't ask me
> how!) instead of my ear and instead of a major bad, it was a minor bad.
> Kind of a blessing in disguise, really, as I was able to get some really
> quality jewelry in there afterwards and went to a top-notch studio to
> get it done over, once everything healed.
>
> I love the text (FAQ?) healing instructions that lish posted in early
> June. Absolutely love. It's in my favorites, and if anybody I know gets
> a tattoo I will print it out and give it to them! I found myself nodding
> along for most of it.
>
> Anyway, back to lurking for me. Thought I'd share.
>
>
> Whitewater
What is the difference between a tattoo and a tat?
What is flash?

Olympiada wrote:
> Wolf Whitewater wrote:
>
>> Hey there. Name's Whitewater, been lurking here for a while, figured I
>> might as well let folks know I'm reading.

(I snipped for you)
>
> What is the difference between a tattoo and a tat?
> What is flash?


Flash is the opposite of custom, as far as I am aware. The next time you
go into a tattoo studio and look at the art they have for sale (it'll
either be on the walls or in a large poster-type display case) that's
flash. Lots of studios have the same flash, so if you want a much higher
chance of wearing the same tattoo as everybody else, go pick something
off the walls of the place. It's my belief that the name originated
because you could get done 'in a flash' but that's just my pet theory
and I could be wrong.

As for explaining 'tat' vs. 'tattoo', you might want to read the posts
here more carefully, it's explained in a couple of the other threads. I
didn't know about the distinction myself until I started lurking here. I
don't know that I fully subscribe to the theory, but it's an interesting
one.

After a friend of mine got her first tattoo it went straight to her head
and she became an ink snob, looking down her nose at those of us who
didn't have tattoos and tossing out the jargon, like 'My tat is. . .'
and 'I got inked at' . . .. She would also name-drop, though she'd
never met the people and had only read about them somewhere. Eventually
it got really lame and irritating -- and her (ugly) flash wasn't good
enough to justify all the attitude in the first place.

Whitewater

Wolf Whitewater wrote:
> Olympiada wrote:
>> Wolf Whitewater wrote:
>>
>>> Hey there. Name's Whitewater, been lurking here for a while, figured
>>> I might as well let folks know I'm reading.
>
> (I snipped for you)
>>
>> What is the difference between a tattoo and a tat?
>> What is flash?
>
>
> Flash is the opposite of custom, as far as I am aware. The next time you
> go into a tattoo studio and look at the art they have for sale (it'll
> either be on the walls or in a large poster-type display case) that's
> flash. Lots of studios have the same flash, so if you want a much higher
> chance of wearing the same tattoo as everybody else, go pick something
> off the walls of the place. It's my belief that the name originated
> because you could get done 'in a flash' but that's just my pet theory
> and I could be wrong.
>
> As for explaining 'tat' vs. 'tattoo', you might want to read the posts
> here more carefully, it's explained in a couple of the other threads. I
> didn't know about the distinction myself until I started lurking here. I
> don't know that I fully subscribe to the theory, but it's an interesting
> one.
>
> After a friend of mine got her first tattoo it went straight to her head
> and she became an ink snob, looking down her nose at those of us who
> didn't have tattoos and tossing out the jargon, like 'My tat is. . .'
> and 'I got inked at' . . .. She would also name-drop, though she'd
> never met the people and had only read about them somewhere. Eventually
> it got really lame and irritating -- and her (ugly) flash wasn't good
> enough to justify all the attitude in the first place.
>
> Whitewater
According to Wikipedia, tat is an abbreviation for tattoo. I understand
what you are saying and neither want to go there nor deal with that. For
an Orthodox to get a tattoo is to set oneself apart from the crowd. No
need to make more of a separation. We support each other. I have
suggested one of my tattooed Orthodox friends join this group. I may
invite the whole group to this group. I am finding the group creator of
the tattooed Orthodox group to be judgmental and I am not enjoying that.
I also know that as an artist, I will only wear a tattoo I have designed
and that some tattoo artists won't ink you with your own art. Thankfully
I was given the name of a local tattoo artist tonight who did a custom
tattoo on an acquaintance of mine. I think my first goal is to meet with
him, and then sit through a session with another client. I am thinking
to get my first tattoo on my upper arm, but I want to know what to
expect, how long it will take, etc. This is a long process, its taken
half my life to get to this point, and this is just the beginning. I am
very happy to be finally moving towards getting my first tattoo after at
least 15 years of preparation.
Olympiada

On Aug 22, 6:03 am, Olympiada <olympiada2...@gmail.com> wrote:
VO> For
VO> an Orthodox to get a tattoo is to set oneself apart from the
crowd.

No. For an Orthodox to get a tattoo is to spit in the eye of God.

Kavin

On Aug 22, 10:39 am, Wolf Whitewater <white_water_rap...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> I don't know that I fully subscribe to the theory, but it's an interesting
> one.

Heh. Maybe I should start charging royalties like lish does.

> After a friend of mine got her first tattoo it went straight to her head
> and she became an ink snob, looking down her nose at those of us who
> didn't have tattoos and tossing out the jargon, like 'My tat is. . .'
> and 'I got inked at' . . .. She would also name-drop, though she'd
> never met the people and had only read about them somewhere. Eventually
> it got really lame and irritating -- and her (ugly) flash wasn't good
> enough to justify all the attitude in the first place.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tat , number 2.
"I got inked" falls in the same category.

See, there are those with a warped concept of "evolution" of language,
who believe that once a term -as ridiculous or false as it may be- is
extensively used, it automatically becomes "correct".

In that case, it is equally legitimate to actively push a certain
definition for that term, in this case, "tat".
Those who don't care about correct terminology are often equally
careless about the artistic quality of the tattoo work they are
getting, hence "tat" = bad tattoo.

You won't find many people who have extensive and/or high quality work
who will refer to it as "tats". It's disrespectful.

Interesting tangent: google for "been slinging ink" and see how the
work of tattooists who use that phrase compares to that from people on
Lish's list.

Nina

On Aug 22, 2:30 pm, "KavinTay...@gmail.com" <KavinTay...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> No. For an Orthodox to get a tattoo is to spit in the eye of God.

It's okay if it's the trouser snake's eye.

Nina

Olympiada <olympiada2007@gmail.com> wrote:

> According to Wikipedia, tat is an abbreviation for tattoo.

aren't you going to fuck off any time soon?

Wolf Whitewater <white_water_rap...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hey there. Name's Whitewater, been lurking here for a while, figured I
> might as well let folks know I'm reading.

Welcome to RAB.

> I have four tattoos, two of which could properly be called 'tats', my
> first one that I got nine years ago (which will one day be incorporated
> into a much better custom art piece) and my second one, which I didn't
> take care of quite right (I repeatedly had a shield slammed into my
> upper arm, where the tattoo was, and didn't realize that when the scabs
> got knocked off so would the color -- I know better now!). Both started
> out as flash but I customized them considerably so I don't know now if
> they're flash or not. Where is the line drawn?

There doesn't have to be a line, imo.

[...]

> One of them I had to get re-pierced after a choreographed fight

I'd be interested to learn more about that.

> Anyway, back to lurking for me. Thought I'd share.
>
> Whitewater

Thanks for sharing. Interesting read.

--
Curt

Nina Baltes <chaotro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
[...]

> See, there are those with a warped concept of "evolution" of language,
> who believe that once a term -as ridiculous or false as it may be- is
> extensively used, it automatically becomes "correct".

And there are people who don't believe that making a big deal out of
personal preference is absolutely necessary.

> In that case, it is equally legitimate to actively push a certain
> definition for that term, in this case, "tat".
> Those who don't care about correct terminology are often equally
> careless about the artistic quality of the tattoo work they are
> getting, hence "tat" = bad tattoo.

[...]

But you're not saying that there are no major league tattoo artists
who use terms such as tat and gauge contrary to what you may believe
is the correct manner, are you? Because I suspect you'd be wrong.

--
Curt

On Aug 22, 11:23 am, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:

C> But you're not saying that there are no major league tattoo artists
C> who use terms such as tat and gauge contrary to what you may
believe
C> is the correct manner, are you?

No. She's saying you're a fucktard.

Curt replies: "Are you answering for Nina now?"

Kavin replies: "Let's see if Nina corrects me."

Kavin

On Aug 22, 11:19 am, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:

C> There doesn't have to be a line, imo.

Of course not. Curt likes everything blurry. Curt has no
convictions.

Kavin

On Aug 22, 10:28 am, Nina Baltes <chaotro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2:30 pm, "KavinTay...@gmail.com" <KavinTay...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
KT> > No. For an Orthodox to get a tattoo is to spit in the eye of
God.
>
N> It's okay if it's the trouser snake's eye.

There is a special place in Hell for you . . .

Kavin

On Aug 22, 10:38 am, dhrr...@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and
Jars) wrote:
> Olympiada <olympiada2...@gmail.com> wrote:
O> > According to Wikipedia, tat is an abbreviation for tattoo.
>
QCJ> aren't you going to fuck off any time soon?

She is the female Curt, yet somehow more lame.

Scary.

Kavin

KavinTaylor@gmail.com wrote:

> N> It's okay if it's the trouser snake's eye.
>
> There is a special place in Hell for you . . .

There better be.

Nina
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