shannonless BME

so you've all heard by now, right?
http://modblog.bmezine.com/2008/05/1...ay-a-new-dawn/

my comment was:

no BME without shannon.

you can call it the same thing, but no one wants to brachel.
lish on May 14th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

yttrx, naturally, thinks this is about a crush. i think it's about
being a cunt to rachel. :D what are other opinions here?

lish "i left all my kinder parts
crank@got.net rusting & peeling." -mm
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70

On May 16, 3:39 pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
wrote:
> so you've all heard by now, right?http://modblog.bmezine.com/2008/05/1...ay-a-new-dawn/
>
> my comment was:
>
> no BME without shannon.
>
> you can call it the same thing, but no one wants to brachel.
> lish on May 14th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
>
> yttrx, naturally, thinks this is about a crush. i think it's about
> being a cunt to rachel. :D what are other opinions here?

I opine that people might like to read yttrx's comments in their
entirety:

"Hi lovelies…

If those of you who are going to leave in a huff anyhow over all of
this could just hurry up a little and leave already, there are a lot
of us who have been waiting a long time to be part of a community
that’s mostly free of dramatic children.

And Lish: The little internet-romance thing that you had going on with
shannon for god only knows how long (which was the happy summation, I
guess, of years and years of you crushing on him) should be irrelevant
with regards to your opinion on this matter, shouldnt it?"
yttrx on May 14th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

I do like the part about the children leaving posthaste.

I'm pretty much neutral. My primary connection to BME is thru IAM,
tho my BME/World site is still up.

d

On May 16, 4:39 pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
wrote:
> so you've all heard by now, right?http://modblog.bmezine.com/2008/05/1...ay-a-new-dawn/
>
> my comment was:
>
> no BME without shannon.
>

I found Shannon annoying. Definitely not one of my favorite people.
And when things first seemed to go south, he had an annoying habit of
dropping just enough information (or his "friends" did it for him) and
then retreated behind the "legally, I can't say any more" nonsense.
Call it passive aggressive, call it manipulation, whatever.

But Shannon built the beast that is BME. And it is a business,
whether he liked that aspect or not.

Until both he and Rachel come clean on all aspects, it remains a silly
little bit of melodrama.

Kavin

On May 17, 8:02*am, "KavinTay...@gmail.com" <KavinTay...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On May 16, 4:39 pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
> wrote:
>
> > * * * * so you've all heard by now, right?http://modblog.bmezine..com/2008/05/...ay-a-new-dawn/
>
> > * * * * my comment was:
>
> > no BME without shannon.
>
> I found Shannon annoying. *Definitely not one of my favorite people.
> And when things first seemed to go south, he had an annoying habit of
> dropping just enough information (or his "friends" did it for him) and
> then retreated behind the "legally, I can't say any more" nonsense.
> Call it passive aggressive, call it manipulation, whatever.
>
> But Shannon built the beast that is BME. *And it is a business,
> whether he liked that aspect or not.
>
> Until both he and Rachel come clean on all aspects, it remains a silly
> little bit of *melodrama.
>
> Kavin

Neither one of them have any sort of responsibility of "coming clean"
to you or anyone else. And Shannon did NOT build the beast that is
BME. The BME staff did, putting out the fires that he started
constantly
for years. Shannon's ego was it's foundation, but the actual work
was
almost everyone BUT him.

And by the way, despite what Lish (and others) will tell you, Shannon
gave BME to Rachel back when he was paranoid about getting arrested
for putting up beavershots without asking for ID. That was a number
of
years ago. He gave it to her, as he told me (and many others) more
than
once, because it would be better for BME if Rachel was arrested and
put
in jail rather than Him, since he was so essential to running it.

Wasn't that sweet of him?

Ah well, it's poetry now, and to my taste, its very, very sweet.




-----yttrx




-----yttrx

On May 16, 4:39*pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
wrote:
> * * * * so you've all heard by now, right?http://modblog.bmezine.com/2008/05/1...ay-a-new-dawn/
>
> * * * * my comment was:
>
> no BME without shannon.
>
> you can call it the same thing, but no one wants to brachel.
> lish on May 14th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
>
> * * * * yttrx, naturally, thinks this is about a crush. i think it's about
> being a cunt to rachel. :D what are other opinions here?
>
> lish * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *"i left all my kinder parts
> cr...@got.net * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * rusting & peeling." -mm
> 43.9% / 30 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * *RANA 128 / 70


My opinion doesn't stop there, Lish. Let me make a suggestion:

I think you should back off and stop being a cunt to Rachel. All you
know
about Rachel is that she had sex at least one time with the guy that
you
had (have?) a mad crush on for a number of years. I can understand
your
frustration at that.

You should have emailed me during the whole debacle and asked me for
some information. I would have gladly forwarded you phone
conversations
and emails that I traded with shannon during it, and I guarantee you
would
have been absolutely horrified that you'd ever even once considered
putting
his cock in your mouth. But you never asked, and thus remained in the
dark about the entire situation, listening to the ramblings of a
deranged
sociopath who has demonstrated repeatedly that he is a danger to both
himself and others.

All of that said, drop it, now.




-----yttrx

yttrstein@gmail.com <yttrstein@gmail.com> wrote:
ygc> On May 16, 4:39?pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
ygc> My opinion doesn't stop there, Lish. Let me make a suggestion:
ygc> I think you should back off and stop being a cunt to Rachel. All you know
ygc> about Rachel is that she had sex at least one time with the guy that you
ygc> had (have?) a mad crush on for a number of years. I can understand your
ygc> frustration at that.

haha, dude. i said one thing to her in recent days - this is
hardly actively being a cunt. i said it here out of amusement. you should
know that.

that said, i'm not one to deny a crush, but you're really reading
a lot more into any feelings i had for shannon than existed. i've enjoyed
writing to him & i enjoyed meeting him, but if i wanted to go suck his
cock, i could've. it wasn't & isn't like that. i suppose you could be
badgering this whole "mad crush" thing for your own entertainment, but
it's a bit confusing to me since you seem to otherwise like keeping things
honest.

ygc> You should have emailed me during the whole debacle and asked me for
ygc> some information. I would have gladly forwarded you phone conversations
ygc> and emails that I traded with shannon during it, and I guarantee you

...uh, i did. several times. you didn't reply once. would you like
me to pull the header information from my sent-mail?

lish "we don't even care
crank@got.net whether or not we care." -ma
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70

On May 17, 2:20*pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
wrote:
> yttrst...@gmail.com <yttrst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ygc> On May 16, 4:39?pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
> ygc> My opinion doesn't stop there, Lish. *Let me make a suggestion:
> ygc> I think you should back off and stop being a cunt to Rachel. *All you know
> ygc> about Rachel is that she had sex at least one time with the guy that you
> ygc> had (have?) a mad crush on for a number of years. *I can understandyour
> ygc> frustration at that.
>
> * * * * haha, dude. i said one thing to her in recent days - this is
> hardly actively being a cunt. i said it here out of amusement. you should
> know that.

I understand that, almost everything you do is for amusement, but
there
are some things involved that you're probably not aware of, like my
feelings
about shannon and having a little orgasm every time I think for a
brief moment
that he's in pain.

Your post pleased him. I will not have that.

>
> * * * * that said, i'm not one to deny a crush, but you're really reading
> a lot more into any feelings i had for shannon than existed. i've enjoyed
> writing to him & i enjoyed meeting him, but if i wanted to go suck his
> cock, i could've.

Before you go saying things like THAT in public, it might be worth
knowing
if you're actually right about that. :)

> it wasn't & isn't like that. i suppose you could be
> badgering this whole "mad crush" thing for your own entertainment, but
> it's a bit confusing to me since you seem to otherwise like keeping things
> honest.
>

I'm going by the emails you sent me about it, asking me what I thought
of
passages he wrote to you. The feelings on both sides are quite clear,
as I
told you at the time.

> ygc> You should have emailed me during the whole debacle and asked me for
> ygc> some information. *I would have gladly forwarded you phone conversations
> ygc> and emails that I traded with shannon during it, and I guarantee you
>
> * * * * ...uh, i did. several times. you didn't reply once. would you like
> me to pull the header information from my sent-mail?

Yup, if I didnt get them theres a problem.

Anyhow, there's definitely a right and a wrong side here. Shannon is
on the
wrong side, period. He did this all to himself, from the abuse that
started this
whole thing right up until now, when he is *still* trying to sabotage
a company
that hasn't been his in YEARS. Shannon is sociopathic and
narcissistic in a way
that you only dream of being. I've actually seen your soft
underbelly, Lish, and it's
pretty much the same one we all have---except shannon. Shannon's
underside is
the same broken glass and rusty nails as every other part of him.

But I have to wonder---if his father hadn't pushed him so hard for all
those years to
be as manly and heterosexual as his brother, would he have never
developed into
a sociopath, and just been gay?

That's a question that gets me thinking at night.

yttrstein@gmail.com <yttrstein@gmail.com> wrote:
ygc> On May 17, 2:20?pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
ygc> there are some things involved that you're probably not aware of, like my
ygc> feelings about shannon and having a little orgasm every time I think for a
ygc> brief moment that he's in pain.

pretty sure i've noticed that. :D

>> ? ? ? ? that said, i'm not one to deny a crush, but you're really reading
>> a lot more into any feelings i had for shannon than existed. i've enjoyed
>> writing to him & i enjoyed meeting him, but if i wanted to go suck his
>> cock, i could've.
ygc> Before you go saying things like THAT in public, it might be worth knowing
ygc> if you're actually right about that. :)

you never know if something's possible until you try. people talk
a big game but regularly write checks their ass can't cash. but that's the
point here. i'll rephrase for your benefit: if i'd wanted to at least try,
i could've certainly done that.

ygc> I'm going by the emails you sent me about it, asking me what I thought of
ygc> passages he wrote to you. The feelings on both sides are quite clear, as I
ygc> told you at the time.

are you talking about those drunken emails from, like, 2000 or so?
come on, it was almost a decade ago. i don't recall having forwarded you
anything beyond those.

>> ygc> You should have emailed me during the whole debacle and asked me for
>> ? ? ? ? ...uh, i did. several times. you didn't reply once. would you like
>> me to pull the header information from my sent-mail?
ygc> Yup, if I didnt get them theres a problem.

ok, so email me from whatever account you're most active on, &
i'll resend my queries. i'm still more than interested in hearing whatever
you have.

lish "do you think you can forget anything?
crank@got.net i am the saint of indecency." -jc
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70

On May 17, 2:12 pm, "yttrst...@gmail.com" <yttrst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 17, 8:02 am, "KavinTay...@gmail.com" <KavinTay...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 4:39 pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
> > wrote:
>
> > > so you've all heard by now, right?http://modblog.bmezine.com/2008/05/1...ay-a-new-dawn/
>
> > > my comment was:
>
> > > no BME without shannon.
>
> > I found Shannon annoying. Definitely not one of my favorite people.
> > And when things first seemed to go south, he had an annoying habit of
> > dropping just enough information (or his "friends" did it for him) and
> > then retreated behind the "legally, I can't say any more" nonsense.
> > Call it passive aggressive, call it manipulation, whatever.
>
> > But Shannon built the beast that is BME. And it is a business,
> > whether he liked that aspect or not.
>
> > Until both he and Rachel come clean on all aspects, it remains a silly
> > little bit of melodrama.
>
> > Kavin
>
> Neither one of them have any sort of responsibility of "coming clean"
> to you or anyone else.

Yes they do, if for no other reason they said they wood. In several
venues. They played it out in public. They had their friends play it
out (or at least they didn't stop their friends). But then, the more
I read, the more I understand that honorable is not a word to be used,
here.


> And by the way, despite what Lish (and others) will tell you, Shannon
> gave BME to Rachel back when he was paranoid about getting arrested
> for putting up beavershots without asking for ID. That was a number
> of
> years ago. He gave it to her, as he told me (and many others) more
> than
> once, because it would be better for BME if Rachel was arrested and
> put
> in jail rather than Him, since he was so essential to running it.

Look, I've said all along there would be a bigger story. And I've
known from the start that Shannon was one fucked up individual -- and
I don't know him personally. Shannon has always played fast and loose
with legal issues. I'm still surprised he isn't in jail for a
multitude of reasons. And by the way, the capitalization of "Him"
seems a little Freudian.

>
> Wasn't that sweet of him?
>

Funny. I'm looking at this as a business with personality problems.
Most seem to think this is personalities with a business problem.

Kavin

On May 17, 2:20 pm, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.)
wrote:
[...]

> but it's a bit confusing to me since
> you seem to otherwise like keeping
> things honest.<snip>

Where'd you get THAT idea?

--

On May 18, 11:20 am, "KavinTay...@gmail.com" <KavinTay...@gmail.com>
wrote:
[...]

> Yes they do, if for no other reason they said they wood. <snip>

They said they what?

Way to go, genius. ;)

--

Curt wrote:

>> Yes they do, if for no other reason they said they wood. <snip>

> They said they what?
>
> Way to go, genius. ;)

LOL! Fucktard loserboi strikes again.

--
H2W

On 16 May 2008 20:39:34 GMT, crank@got.net (i'll teach you to turn
away.) wrote:

> yttrx, naturally, thinks this is about a crush. i think it's about
>being a cunt to rachel. :D what are other opinions here?

I've never had much use for either of them, and don't really give a
damn.

nj"and am unsurprised at the outcome"m


--
Welcome, stranger, to the humble neighbourhoods.

i'll teach you to turn away. <crank@got.net> wrote:
y> yttrstein@gmail.com <yttrstein@gmail.com> wrote:
y> You should have emailed me during the whole debacle and asked me for
l> ...uh, i did. several times. you didn't reply once. would you like
l> me to pull the header information from my sent-mail?
y>> Yup, if I didnt get them theres a problem.
l> ok, so email me from whatever account you're most active on, &
l> i'll resend my queries. i'm still more than interested in hearing whatever

no email from yttrx. i'm shocked.

lish "you were nothing
crank@got.net but a brief distraction." -ftf
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70