Christian pediatrician denies child service because parents are tattooed

Christian pediatrician denies child service because parents are
tattooed:

BAKERSFIELD - A family is turned away by a local pediatrician, they
say because of the way they look. The doctor said he is just following
his beliefs, creating a Christian atmosphere for his patients...

http://www.kget.com/news/local/story...9-525e48365b08

http://preview.tinyurl.com/34l2mk

***********
This is so wrong on so many levels. Actions like this are anything
but Christian.

L.

Lori wrote:
> Christian pediatrician denies child service because
> parents are tattooed:
>
> BAKERSFIELD - A family is turned away by a local
> pediatrician, they say because of the way they look.
> The doctor said he is just following his beliefs, creating
> a Christian atmosphere for his patients...
>
> http://www.kget.com/news/local/story...90458b-dd7d-4a...

>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/34l2mk

>
> ***********
> This is so wrong on so many levels. Actions like this
> are anything but Christian.

I wonder which of the commandments the pediatrician was enforcing.
Otoh, the article stated "beliefs" and "a Christian atmosphere" and no
specific commandments.

Imo, the doc is certainly stomping on the golden rule, however.

> L.

The recent story of the Muslim cab drivers seems to parallel this
story to some degree. I don't have any problem with a driver dictating
what they'll carry in their vehicle - many, I'm assuming, are
privately owned, however for a doctor to refuse service to any patient
seems to violate medical ethics to the core.

(Googles Hippocratic Oath)

"for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I
will keep them from harm and injustice."

Point to the patients, imo.

"In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art."

Hmm. Depending on the doc's perspective...

"Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick,
remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief [...] be
they free or slaves."

Free or slaves, yes. Tattooed? No frigging way, eh, doc? :o(

"if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be
my lot."

Uh oh. Again, imo, that doesn't bode well for the doctor.

--
Curt

On Feb 18, 7:58 am, "Lori" <LoriDontDoT...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Christian pediatrician denies child service because parents are
> tattooed:
>
> BAKERSFIELD - A family is turned away by a local pediatrician, they
> say because of the way they look. The doctor said he is just following
> his beliefs, creating a Christian atmosphere for his patients...
>
> http://www.kget.com/news/local/story...90458b-dd7d-4a...
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/34l2mk
>
> ***********
> This is so wrong on so many levels. Actions like this are anything
> but Christian.


Not if they are following the admonition about marking the body. Do I
think the Dr. needs to do more research? Yes. But it is a commonly
held fundamental belief.

Don't mistake Christian for forgiving or all-loving.

Kavin

On Feb 18, 9:05 am, "Curt" <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lori wrote:


> > Christian pediatrician denies child service because
> > parents are tattooed:

>
> I wonder which of the commandments the pediatrician was enforcing.

Commandments are followed, not enforced.


> Otoh, the article stated "beliefs" and "a Christian atmosphere" and no
> specific commandments.

So why your previous statement? Or do you think the original writer
went to a Navy journalism school?

> Imo, the doc is certainly stomping on the golden rule, however.

Why? Are you saying he doesn't want to be treated as a Christian?
Your opinion is wrong.

> > L. (and no, Lori said none of the above.)
>
> The recent story of the Muslim cab drivers seems to parallel this
> story to some degree. I don't have any problem with a driver dictating
> what they'll carry in their vehicle - many, I'm assuming, are
> privately owned,

And government regulated. So yes, there is a problem when a portion
of your government-regulated public transportation system refuses to
do its job. They should give up their cab license, especially the
ones who refused to transport seeing-eye dogs.

> however for a doctor to refuse service to any patient
> seems to violate medical ethics to the core.


nice run on sentence. Use a semi-colon.
>
> (Googles Hippocratic Oath)
>
> "for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I
> will keep them from harm and injustice."
>
> Point to the patients, imo.

So he should ignore the spiritual health of his other patients? Oh,
what is the karma thing you keep bringing up?


>
> "In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art."
>
> Hmm. Depending on the doc's perspective...

Exactly.

But again, you argue (not too well) to argue.


Kavin

"Lori" <LoriDontDoThat@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1171803517.075591.250770@s48g2000cws.googlegr oups.com:

> Christian pediatrician denies child service because parents are
> tattooed:
>
> BAKERSFIELD - A family is turned away by a local pediatrician, they
> say because of the way they look. The doctor said he is just following
> his beliefs, creating a Christian atmosphere for his patients...
>
> http://www.kget.com/news/local/story...458b-dd7d-4a20
> -ac99-525e48365b08
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/34l2mk
>
> ***********
> This is so wrong on so many levels. Actions like this are anything
> but Christian.

A company I am paying refers me to "Christian Medical Services". I don't
think so. I would have never gone and insisted on going somewhere else.

Fred.

Kavin Taylor wrote:
> "Curt" wrote:
> > Lori wrote:
> > > Christian pediatrician denies child
> > > service because parents are tattooed:
>
> > I wonder which of the commandments the
> > pediatrician was enforcing.
>
> Commandments are followed, not enforced.

Forever and always?

> > Otoh, the article stated "beliefs" and "a
> > Christian atmosphere" and no specific
> > commandments.
>
> So why your previous statement?

Why not? At least peek outside the box once in your life, Kavvy.

> Or do you think the original writer went to a
> Navy journalism school?

They'd be happier for it, of course. Heyyyyy, I've never corrected you
- well, not that I recall - about this previously, as it's apparent
that you've little interest in accuracy wrt my journalism courses,
etc., but it wasn't a Navy journalism school. DINFOS was, and
apparently remains, an all services school - http://www.dinfos.osd.mil/DinfosWeb/index.asp

> > Imo, the doc is certainly stomping on
> > the golden rule, however.
>
> Why?

Ask the doc. ;o)

> Are you saying he doesn't want to be treated
> as a Christian?

Duh, Kavin. Just duh.

I mean, Subject line much?

> Your opinion is wrong.

Yeah. You wish.

The Subject line reads: "Christian pediatrician denies child service
because parents are tattooed" and, so, for the doc to be following the
golden rule, well, I assume he would provide service to others just as
he would expect service provided to him.

Follow? Naaaah, I suspect you don't.

> > > L. (and no, Lori said none of the above.)

Never said she did. The "L." was a part of her post, Kavin. Unlike
you, if I delete a person's words then I don't include so-and-so
wrote. Hoooo! Yes, we are two very different people. I'm glad for it.
Here, in fact, you might even agree. :o)

> > The recent story of the Muslim cab drivers
> > seems to parallel this story to some degree.
> > I don't have any problem with a driver dictating
> > what they'll carry in their vehicle - many, I'm
> > assuming, are privately owned,
>
> And government regulated.

Zat so?

> So yes, there is a problem when a portion
> of your government-regulated public
> transportation system refuses to do its job.
> They should give up their cab license,
> especially the ones who refused to transport
> seeing-eye dogs.

Capt. Google is tired. Could you please include a URL or two next
time? Thanks.

> > however for a doctor to refuse service to
> > any patient seems to violate medical ethics
> > to the core.
>
> nice run on sentence.

Hey, run-on should include a hyphen, pal!

> Use a semi-colon.

Otoh, semicolon should not.

Say, which journalism school did you attend?

> > (Googles Hippocratic Oath)
>
> > "for the benefit of the sick according to
> > my ability and judgment; I will keep them
> > from harm and injustice."
>
> > Point to the patients, imo.
>
> So he should ignore the spiritual health of his
> other patients?

I doubt servicing all patients without harming their spiritual health
would be that difficult a task to complete. Of course, someone with
difficulty chewing gum and walking at the same time or, say, blocking
a volleyball, well, yes, I guess it could prove to be an unachievable
task.

Did you get that joke, Kavin? Because I can type it again in all
caps.

> Oh, what is the karma thing you keep bringing
> up?

Guess I can expect a few volleyballs coming my way. Drat.

> > "In purity and holiness I will guard my life
> > and my art."
>
> > Hmm. Depending on the doc's perspective...
>
> Exactly.

Double duh, Kavvy. That's not saying the doc's perspective is
justifiable, imo. Think before you type. I do. Honestly, I do.

> But again, you argue (not too well) to argue.

i don't get your joke.

Hawww!!! :oD

DID YOU GET *THAT* JOKE, KAVVY?

Never mind.

> Kavin

--
Curt

Fred wrote:
> "Lori" wrote

> > Christian pediatrician denies child service
> > because parents are tattooed:
>
> > BAKERSFIELD - A family is turned away by
> > a local pediatrician, they say because of the
> > way they look. The doctor said he is just following
> > his beliefs, creating a Christian atmosphere for his
> > patients...
>
> > http://www.kget.com/news/local/story...9-525e48365b08

>
> > http://preview.tinyurl.com/34l2mk
>
> > ***********
> > This is so wrong on so many levels. Actions
> > like this are anything but Christian.

Agreed.

> A company I am paying refers me to "Christian
> Medical Services". I don't think so. I would have
> never gone and insisted on going somewhere else.

But I can't or won't imagine that all Christian groups or medical
services are as unaccepting as the pediatrician in the article above.

> Fred.

--
Curt

On Feb 18, 5:10 pm, Fred <n...@none.none> wrote:
> "Lori" <LoriDontDoT...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1171803517.075591.250770@s48g2000cws.google groups.com:
>
> > Christian pediatrician denies child service because parents are
> > tattooed:
>
> > BAKERSFIELD - A family is turned away by a local pediatrician, they
> > say because of the way they look. The doctor said he is just following
> > his beliefs, creating a Christian atmosphere for his patients...
>
> >http://www.kget.com/news/local/story...458b-dd7d-4a20
> > -ac99-525e48365b08
>
> >http://preview.tinyurl.com/34l2mk
>
> > ***********
> > This is so wrong on so many levels. Actions like this are anything
> > but Christian.
>
> A company I am paying refers me to "Christian Medical Services". I don't
> think so. I would have never gone and insisted on going somewhere else.
>
> Fred.

Because they are Christian? Close minded, are we?

So don't bitch if someone says anything about tattoos or piercings.

There is no difference.


Kavin

Kavin Taylor wrote:
> Fred wrote:
[...]

> > A company I am paying refers me to
> > "Christian Medical Services". I don't
> > think so. I would have never gone and
> > insisted on going somewhere else.
>
> > Fred.
>
> Because they are Christian? Close minded,
> are we?

Not necessarily. Might want to let Fred e'splain. Or scream shoelaces
as per your usual reaction.

> So don't bitch if someone says anything
> about tattoos or piercings.
>
> There is no difference.

Triple duh, Kavvy.

Fred - or anyone - choosing who to obtain services from is the
personal choice of a *consumer* which is completely different when
compared to an unjustifiable, imo, choice of a *provider*.

> Kavin

But, yeah, don't bother, you don't see the distinction.

--
Curt

On Feb 18, 6:43 pm, "Curt" <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kavin Taylor wrote:

> The Subject line reads: "Christian pediatrician denies child service
> because parents are tattooed" and, so, for the doc to be following the
> golden rule, well, I assume he would provide service to others just as
> he would expect service provided to him.

No, that is where you are wrong. First, the "golden rule" is not a
commandment. Wait, weren't the commandments part of your first post?
The be all end alls? And as I stated, he wants to be treated, and to
treat, as a Christian. His brand of Christianity does not allow for
tattoos.

Are you a Christian Curt?

Let's go over some basics. Christians believe you must acknowledge
that the Christ is the son of God, He was sent to die for our sins, He
died on the Cross, He arose three days later, and He went to serve at
the right hand of God.

Christians must acknowledge this. Some of us believe in the concept
of "saving" -- we are saved from our sins by the blood of Jesus Christ
our Savior. We acknowledge our sins, we ask for forgiveness and we
thank Jesus for the redemptive qualities of his sacrifice.

Do you get it it? Yes, I am a Christian. And yes, I wish you dead.
Evil should not be allowed in this world. It especially should not be
allowed to corrupt the minds of children. God wants us to be strong.
You wish to be weak.

I won't blink on this. Not even in the face of the creator.

But then, those are convictions. And you will never be accused of
having convictions.


Kavin

On Feb 18, 6:48 pm, "Curt" <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fred wrote:
> > "Lori" wrote
> > > Christian pediatrician denies child service
> > > because parents are tattooed:
>
> > > BAKERSFIELD - A family is turned away by
> > > a local pediatrician, they say because of the
> > > way they look. The doctor said he is just following
> > > his beliefs, creating a Christian atmosphere for his
> > > patients...
>
> > >http://www.kget.com/news/local/story...90458b-dd7d-4a...
>
> > >http://preview.tinyurl.com/34l2mk
>
> > > ***********
> > > This is so wrong on so many levels. Actions
> > > like this are anything but Christian.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > A company I am paying refers me to "Christian
> > Medical Services". I don't think so. I would have
> > never gone and insisted on going somewhere else.
>
> But I can't or won't imagine that all Christian groups or medical
> services are as unaccepting as the pediatrician in the article above.
>
> > Fred.
>
> --
> Curt-

Maybe not. But are you saying the Dr. can't have his convictions?
You are saying "unaccepting" as if it is a bad thing. You do not have
to accept everything. You don't accept me. I don't accept your posts
as being more than dog shit.

That's life.

Kavin

Kavin Taylor wrote:
> "Curt" wrote:
[...]

> > The Subject line reads: "Christian
> > pediatrician denies child service
> > because parents are tattooed" and, so,
> > for the doc to be following the golden rule,
> > well, I assume he would provide service to
> > others just as he would expect service
> > provided to him.
>
> No, that is where you are wrong. First, the
> "golden rule" is not a commandment.

Go back and reread what I wrote, Kavin. I never said the golden rule
was a commandment. Are you feeling well?

<snip>

--
Curt

Kavin Taylor wrote:
> "Curt" wrote:
> > Fred wrote:
[...]

> > > A company I am paying refers me to
> > > "Christian Medical Services". I don't
> > > think so. I would have never gone and
> > > insisted on going somewhere else.
>
> > But I can't or won't imagine that all
> > Christian groups or medical services are
> > as unaccepting as the pediatrician in the
> > article above.
[...]

> Maybe not. But are you saying the Dr.
> can't have his convictions?

No. Of course he can have his convictions. But if he wants to practice
medicine then I'd say he can't necessarily practice those convictions?
See, his convictions - from my perspective at least - violate the
Hippocratic Oath and, yes, fly in the face of medical ethics. Ymmv,
Dr. Kavvy.

> You are saying "unaccepting" as if it is a
> bad thing.

In the doctor's case, I'd say it was uncharitable at best. In my
opinion, of course. ;o)

> You do not have to accept everything.

Cool.

> You don't accept me.

Awwww. Who told you that? I accept you. I accept that you're grumpy
and that you have a muuuuch different sense of humor as compared to
mine.

> I don't accept your posts as being more
> than dog shit.

Well, you roll around in my posts a lot. Why, you've even gone so far
as to visit other newsgroups where I post. How's that working out for
you?

> That's life.

And, hey, how's *that* working out for you?

> Kavin

--
Curt

On Feb 18, 1:11 pm, "KavinTay...@gmail.com" <KavinTay...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Feb 18, 7:58 am, "Lori" <LoriDontDoT...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Christian pediatrician denies child service because parents are
> > tattooed:
>
> > BAKERSFIELD - A family is turned away by a local pediatrician, they
> > say because of the way they look. The doctor said he is just following
> > his beliefs, creating a Christian atmosphere for his patients...
>
> >http://www.kget.com/news/local/story...90458b-dd7d-4a...
>
> >http://preview.tinyurl.com/34l2mk
>
> > ***********
> > This is so wrong on so many levels. Actions like this are anything
> > but Christian.
>
> Not if they are following the admonition about marking the body. Do I
> think the Dr. needs to do more research? Yes. But it is a commonly
> held fundamental belief.

A commonly and mistakenly held PROTESTANT FUNDAMENTALIST belief
perhaps. Speaking from my Catholic perspective, such an action is not
Christian but Pharasaical.

Christianity aside, the doctor's actions aren't even humanitarian,
which one would expect any doctor to be.

> Don't mistake Christian for forgiving or all-loving.

Kavin, I'm a certified Catholic catechist. I'm fully educated on
Christian theology and practice.

L.

On Feb 18, 5:10 pm, Fred <n...@none.none> wrote:
> "Lori" <LoriDontDoT...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1171803517.075591.250770@s48g2000cws.google groups.com:
>
> > Christian pediatrician denies child service because parents are
> > tattooed:
>
> > BAKERSFIELD - A family is turned away by a local pediatrician, they
> > say because of the way they look. The doctor said he is just following
> > his beliefs, creating a Christian atmosphere for his patients...
>
> >http://www.kget.com/news/local/story...458b-dd7d-4a20
> > -ac99-525e48365b08
>
> >http://preview.tinyurl.com/34l2mk
>
> > ***********
> > This is so wrong on so many levels. Actions like this are anything
> > but Christian.
>
> A company I am paying refers me to "Christian Medical Services". I don't
> think so. I would have never gone and insisted on going somewhere else.
>
> Fred.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but can't say as I blame you in some
regards. For the record, if you're ever in need of medical services
Catholic Charities is available and does not discriminate against
anyone's race, creed, or bodyart, nor do they compel conversion for
services rendered. :)

L.